A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft)

(I’ve missed the last few days. I’m sputtering mad. I’m not sure what Obama is trying to pull, but at the moment I’m in a mood to meet simplicity with simplicity.)

Dear Hillary,

I’ll support you through Denver and through however many legal challenges and Eagleton revelations you might think of after Denver if Denver is idiotic enough to nominate Obama.

Pls do go ‘nuclear’ May 31, including enforcing the DNC rule that says Obama gets NONE of his Florida delegates because he violated the no-campaigning pledge.

Where I wll NOT follow you is into the Obama camp.

If you must take Obama as your VP I’ll accept your choice and vote your ticket. But no further.

If Obama is the Pres nominee and you campaign for him I’ll stay home or vote against him. If you entangle your future with him in any way, such as being VP on his ticket or accepting a post, I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN. I will vote for McCain if you make any self-sacrificing moves — such as pledging not to run yourself later.

The only way Obama might get any support from me for a POTUS run would be in 2016 after he concedes now and you have completed your two terms.

Note this is not a personal attachment to you; you aren’t perfect and you have no responsibility to serve again as President if you’d rather do something else.

It is, after what I’ve seen of Obama’s conduct in this campaign, a somewhat personal hatred of Obama and a rejection of his faction (Brazile, Kennedy, etc) and an opposition to what an Obama presidency might mean for this country.

Sincerely,


Poll
How can we convince Obama people that we are serious?
Sign a petition?
Post a bond to donate to McCain if HIllary is not the nominee?
Set up a special fund that goes to H if she's the nominee, otherwise to McCain?
Donate to him now, and post the receipt?
Register at McCain's site and post the receipt?
Register as Independent?
BO's supporters will never believe us.
BO will never believe us.
Other

Votes: 22
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 6)

This is going to go well.


by KevinT on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:08:45 PM EST

Yawn. (2.00 / 2)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:08:53 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 4)

A Hillary-for-President write-in campaign or her running as an Independent is all it would take.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:08:55 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (none / 0)

All it would take for what?  An easy McCain victory?


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:11:37 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 1)

Analytically speaking, yes.  I'm not advocating a write-in campaign.


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:13:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How? She's Bankrupt (none / 0)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 1)

Write-in sites are already up; Independent is not practical.

I would like to get y'all to reconsider and switch to Hillary now rather than later.


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:21:09 PM EST
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Re: obvious troll is obvious (none / 0)

technically you are the troll. at least by wikipedia's standards

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

and we all know wikipedia rules the world.


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:52:26 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 2)

Can you send me an e-mail with the reasons for your personal hatred? Or diary about them?

You might be trolled, but it would help me out. Sometimes, the factors that Clinton supporters have cites have not been accurate, especially quotes from Hillaryis44.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:10:05 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (1.33 / 3)

No time for that. Obama has made a simple announcement that the contest is over. That means the time for reasoning with you is over.

Our time has to be spent phone banking WV and elsewhere, as his tactic seems to be to tell them not to bother voting on Tuesday.


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:29:15 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 1)

Obama has made no such announcement.

The Media reported that it was over - Obama is predicting to win the Pledged Delegates when Oregon/Kentucky vote.

Obama HAS NOT said that the race is over.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:34:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"It's over" (2.00 / 1)

Have you noticed how many posts here and elsewhere by Obama supporters say things like "It's over" and "She lost"?

If you don't want Obama to be judged by such statements, he and you had better start denouncing them loud and clear every time they are repeated.


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:41:24 PM EST
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Re: "It's over" (2.00 / 1)

People have been saying that since February. Obama has rejected them - he's been asked if he's the nominee/if he's won, and he's said NO.

As for myself, I have said it myself in an earlier diary today.

Do you take the time to disavow every statement by Hillaryis44? No, because people know that Hillaryis44 doesn't represent the Clinton campaign.

You're right that there is a danger that people will tie statements of supporters to the campaign. That does not legitimize you doing so though.


by Falsehood on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:52:39 PM EST
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That won't happen because (2.00 / 1)

It IS over, and Obama knows it.  But he's being gracious enough to let Hillary finish when she's comfortable doing so.  I don't mean to denigrate her position or yours, but at this point, everyone recognizes it's done but a small but vocal part of her supporters, whose rank is dwindling rapidly.  HRC herself is far too savvy to think she has a chance.  She is now maneuvering to get the best possible outcome for her (VP or cabinet)


by semiquaver on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:53:49 PM EST
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Fuck it, why doesn't Obama just denounce everybody (2.00 / 1)

I mean, he jolly well should denounce me, I said a rude word just now.

And heck, now I'm being argumentative. Silly me, where's my turn the other cheek hopeful attitude. Oh yeah, idiots are threatening to get McCain voted because they can't take losing in politics. Perhaps they're new to it.


by grass on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:54:32 PM EST
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Re: "It's over" (none / 0)

Have you noticed how many posts here and elsewhere by Obama supporters say things like "It's over" and "She lost"?

If you're going to hold Obama responsible for everything I say, does that mean I get to move into the White House with him, Michelle and the girls when he wins?

Just want to be clear on this.  My house is on the market, and if I don't need to buy another one when it sells, sweet!


by Wonk on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:30:47 AM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (1.00 / 1)

Hey, I just saw you had this posted on HillaryIs44. You say some of the most vile stuff on that blog. I've wanted to say this to you, but I know that as an Obama supporter we are not allowed over there. So I finally get my chance... FUCK YOU!!!

Everyone here can troll rate me for saying that but after reading the vile tripe that this person posts on that blog, I'm not in the mood to care tonight.


by zep93 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 02:01:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

"Eagleton revelations" (2.00 / 1)

STOP implying trashing Hillary!

STOP IT!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:13:07 PM EST

Re: "Eagleton revelations" (2.00 / 1)

That might be a good point. Pls email me suggestions. 1950democrat@gmail.com


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:24:15 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 6)

Heck, send this letter to everyone. Honestly. Letters like this make honest-to-God Democrats and Clinton supporters embarassed, and can only help us in the fall.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:13:44 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 2)

we believe you are serious I am pretty sure many of us have said feel free to vote for McCain or whoever you want.

but this is a Democratic site, Obama will be the Democratic Nominee, thus MyDD will soon be Pro-Obama

there is always Hillaryis44.org though.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:15:06 PM EST

Anti-McCain (2.00 / 4)

would be a better way to describe what this site may soon be.


by Coldblue on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
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Re: Anti-McCain (2.00 / 2)

yeah you got me there,

though from how the site is now thats as good as Pro-Obama :-P


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:24:30 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 2)

Does this mean we won't have to be subjected to your diaries in the future?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:16:54 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 2)

Indeed, please just take your toys and go home, rather than endlessly threatening to do so.


"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!
by username3 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:25:55 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 3)

I think you should forward this letter to every undecided superdelegate as well.  If you don't, I will - nothing moves supers to Obama faster than I threat to take it to the convention.

Seriously.  If you don't, I will.


by Mostly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:16:55 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (1.50 / 2)

Why don't you send it to former VA Gov. Wilder?  He threatened to make Denver look like Chicago '68 if Obama didn't get the nomination.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:25:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (none / 0)

And post it as a diary on "NO QUARTER."  The email onslaught will bring the Internets to their knees!


"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!
by username3 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:27:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Um (2.00 / 2)

First can I just say that I'm new here and am already tired of this nonsense.

With that being said, May 31st might not be the cheery day that you guys are thinking for Hillary. Howard Dean has a significant hand on that rules comm.  Obama will get delegates and they will split Michigan(this will happen after the elections but before the convention). Unfortunately, it will not be enough for Hillary. She will not win the popular vote or delegate count. This will actually be over on May 20 or probably sooner as the SD's in just this weekend alone have gone to Obama by more than 5:1.


by sweet potato pie on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 3)

You absolutely need to send this to every undecided super delegate.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:17:35 PM EST

livestock question (2.00 / 5)

So I've got this one cow that for some reason doesn't really shed her winter coat until about June and its sort of troublesome because it can get pretty hot sometimes at the end of May and she ends of hanging out under the oak trees along the fenceline and I don't like that much because then all that good nitrogen from her pee and poop just gets deposited at the bottom of the hill and I would really rather have it up the ridge some because the soil needs some improvement there and the grass grows slowly but there isn't much I can do because down around the fence is where all the shade is because that's where the oaks overhand I suppose I could make some sort of portable shade device to put higher up in the paddock but then I would have to drive the tractor over the new grass when I move it to the nest rotation and I hate to waste perfectly good forage by driving on it although it really doesn't kill the grass but seems to damage the legumes more I suppose I could take in a fecal sample to see if she has parasites but I think its just genetic because the line of cattle she is from seems just to hang onto their coats longer and just have longer coats year round its probably just more of an aesthetic concern than anything since I really like the way the cattle look after losing that heavy coat and getting all slicked down and shiny after getting manure caked on their hindquarters after being up on bedding pack by the barn for most of the hardest part of the winter I really do like my cows and its nice to lay in the grass on a cool spring evening as the sun goes down and listen to them munching away and watching the calves play I mean I raise cattle to make money and all but hell it sure beats accounting and I certainly wouldn't lay down in the pig pasture because those suckers will come up and give you a bite and even though it won't draw blood it can hurt.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:24:20 PM EST

Thanks. (2.00 / 1)

Longest laugh of the evening.  Still chuckling.


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:53:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks. (2.00 / 1)

Hopefully this will cow the diarist into submission.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:01:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: livestock question (none / 0)

LOL!


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:29:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Terrible. (2.00 / 4)

I truly doubt the author's bonafides as a progrssive/Democrat.  No one who cares about choice, ending the war, health care and the environment would write such tripe.

If, howeverm I am wrong...I ask the author THIS...what will you do when Hillary actually DOES concede and endorses Barack.  What will you do?


by a gunslinger on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:14:28 PM EST

S/he'll shit a brick and vote McCain, apparently. (2.00 / 3)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:17:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Read my diary (none / 0)

I just stated what I would do.

This diary focuses on how serious some of us are; Obama is not someone we are going to rally around, and this is not something we are going to forget by November.

If you want our support for a Dem this November, it has to be Hillary.

And insulting us will make us more determined, not less.


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:27:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Shh, shh. Run along now, or you'll miss your ride: (2.00 / 3)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:38:18 PM EST
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Re: Read my diary (2.00 / 3)

So, instead you will rally behind McCain?
Thank God it will be a small rally.
The vast majority of Hillary's supporters are Democrats.
Democrats will not be voting for McCain in Nov.
After the past 8 years, there will be precious few Democrats voting Republican for any office for a long time to come. Thank God.

No need to insult you.
You do a damn fine job of insulting yourself.
Unfortunately you insult Hillary as well.
Hillary would be dismayed and disgusted by such behavior. It goes against everything she has spent her life fighting for. You are an embarrassment to Hillary supporters...and to Hillary herself.

Again, Thank God 'democrats' such as you are few and far between. Heck, even that already small number is made smaller because it is split up....some of the 'I will vote McCain if I don't get my way' types are on the Obama side (they are just as ridiculous...but, at least in November they will be voting for the Dem).

Good Grief.


by Kysen on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:45:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

how many votes Obama will lose to McCain (none / 0)

Democrats will not be voting for McCain in Nov.

Some will, some won't; it depends on who the nominee is. Axelrod has already written off the 'Reagan Democrats' -- though Obama's original claim was that he could get them back.

I'm speaking of some of us who are not included in Dean's pickup-driving Reagan Democrats whom Axelrod has already written off.

How many votes y'all need to write off, depends on how many of us non-Reagan types you think are serious. So the first question is, how to convince you we are serious and will remain so through November.


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:07:57 PM EST
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Re: how many votes Obama will lose to McCain (2.00 / 3)

In the above post, "we" = Hillaryis44 posters with more time than common sense (see: superdelegate letter writing campaign)


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:12:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how many votes Obama will lose to McCain (2.00 / 2)

Frankly, I don't care if you are serious or not.

The numbers of Democratic Hillary supporters that will actually stoop to voting to McCain are very small....just as small as the numbers of Democratic Obama supporters who would actually stoop to voting for McCain should Hillary be the nominee. Both groups will be ignored by Hillary AND Obama....the numbers are too small (and such persons too pigheaded) to waste time on.

So, you can continue to kick your feet and hold your breath....you will get nothing more than rolled eyes and shaken heads from Hillary herself on down.


by Kysen on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:40:13 PM EST
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Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 3)

Wow, no offense, but that is completely deranged. Keep in mind, I say this as a Clinton supporter who has donated hundreds of dollars and dozens upon dozens of hours of my time to her campaign. And still I say, your letter is manipulative and disgraceful.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:15:54 PM EST

On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 4)

How dare you try to intimidate her like that? Hillary is a Democrat, first and foremost, and she would be horrified by your attitude. You'd like to try to bully her into not supporting the nominee of her party? That's sleazy and ridiculous. You should be ashamed. You should also feel like a complete idiot -- she's not going to care about your petty, vindictive letter.

Just so you know, if she isn't scared of the GOP attack machine, she sure as hell won't be scared of you. Go ahead and write your moronic letter, since it will come to absolutely nothing. I hope she and Obama both get a good laugh out of it.

Of course, it's more likely that she'll never even read it.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:35:46 PM EST

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

1950s Dem is one of the Hillaryis44 people that got national attention for turning superdelegates off with their letter writing campaign. I'm not surprised they think something like this would have a positive impact as well. Too bad not all adults act their age.


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:56:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

I swear to god, those people are freepers, not Democrats.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:59:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

Well they're also falling over themselves to praise an anti-Obama essay from the LaRouche camp, if that gives you any idea of where they're headed.


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:01:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

I'd be willing to bet that some of them are Republicans who've taken "Operation Chaos" to a whole new level. Limbaugh would be proud.

Do you actually read Hi44? Obama supporters seem to check in on it occasionally, but I can't handle it. It makes me ill, personally, but maybe that's because I find it embarrassing.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:06:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

They've become a running joke across the net - its funny if you know what you're getting into. Once you realize its the same 15-20 people posting over and over again its more amusing than horrifying. Once you know a quarter of them are undercover trolls its even better. There are a few bloggers who are uncovering some His44 posters with high official campaign ties, which doesn't do a damn thing for the campaign's credibility.


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:10:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 1)

So it's one of those, "It's so stupid it's funny" kind of things?

Blue Democrat Says:
May 10th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
That slinky (that's BO, who walks like a freak, if you haven't noticed) . . .

Maybe I see your point... I have never, in my entire life, heard anyone compare someone to a slinky. They're creative, if nothing else.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:27:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 1)

Pretty much, as long as your tolerance for bigotry and inanity is professionally high. Honestly, I have no love lost for Clinton's campaign, but they deserve better than the Hillis44 gang.


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:30:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

You're kidding, Larouche? Ack.


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:11:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

I kid you not. Some commentary:

"WOW. That article confirms everything, we have been talking about."

"I am posting excerpts from that link coz it is stunning.
EVERYONE should read the entire article."

The article in question: www.larouchepub.com/other/2008/3520threa t_to_clinton.html

Don't even ask me how they found it. They're also enraptured by some new No Quarter essay. Yet they're the real Democrats...


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

'national attention'? (none / 0)

I post at H44 but seldom write to SDs. Do you have a cite for this 'national attention'?


by 1950democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:19:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 'national attention'? (2.00 / 1)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09 /clinton-supporters-send-l_n_100979.html

I've already seen the defenses on His44 - completely ignoring the fact that no Obama supporters have pulled such an inane stunt, crying about suppression  of the voices of the people, etc. etc. If you guys can't see that this makes Clinton supporters (including the vast majority, the rational ones) look like hyperbolic fools, then please by all means tell your friends over there to continue. They will anyway, they're more interested in getting what they want than what's good for Clinton's campaign or even the country, as your open letter so eloquently stated.


by upstate girl on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:26:28 PM EST
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Re: On second thought, hang on, I'm not finished. (2.00 / 3)

Wow!!!  That was awesome!!!!!


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:59:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 2)

How can we convince Obama people that we are serious?

I do believe you're serious. I don't believe you're significant.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:37:13 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 1)

And people have accused Obama supporters of being a 'cult'.

No, it's a cult if someone says "It has to be my candidate OR ELSE I'M VOTING MCCAIN"

1950Democrat will just have to accept that Hillary is going to (eventually) support Obama for President against McCain.


AnnMarie
by wiscogirl101 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:39:02 PM EST

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (2.00 / 1)

TB just put up a front diary saying pro-McCain ones like this are not acceptable. The author should delete it or be deleted.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:43:05 PM EST

Jerome wrote a book (none / 0)

entitled "Crashing the Gates"  It's all about electing progressive democrats.  The diarist might want to read it some time.  I don't believe there's a chapter devoted to voting republican if your particular candidate doesn't make it through the primaries.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:15:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Jerome wrote a book (none / 0)

I've been wondering lately if the author ever read his own book since he's now in bed with the establishment candidate who has the overpaid and incompetent consultants and top down funding his book rails against.

Nothing is more amazing than the ability of some to hod two completely dissonant opinions at the same time.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:13:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: love it (2.00 / 1)

A good thorough rectal exam might help.  Don't forget the rubber sleeve!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:04:32 AM EST

Hillaryis44 (2.00 / 2)

is like Troll Central.  They claim that the site is to elect Clinton and that republican talking points will not be allowed against her or any Democratic candidate.

Unfortunately, nobody has held the commenters to that standard.  Thus it is a meeting place for freepers, unapologetic racists and a few gullible Clinton supporters who think they are doing a good thing for her and her campaign.

Those kooks don't represent Clinton supporters, don't represent Clinton and are actually pathetic, yet in a strangely amusing way.  


Swish. Nothing but net.
by GFORD on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:06:59 AM EST

Re: Hillaryis44 (2.00 / 3)

Their Admin is just as bad as they are, if not worse. Take a stroll through any of the front page posts. Alex Rodriguez is deliberately prodding those poor people down a really questionable path. (And I do feel bad for some of them - its never fun when someone you've idolized to the point of fawning worship loses to the guy that you've demonized beyond all rational comprehension.)


by upstate girl on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:12:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Threatening your own candidate? (2.00 / 1)

You're threatening your own candidate with the destruction of her party?  You'd ruin Hillary's legacy with this kind of shit?

Wow.  Talk about "all about me" syndrome.  You've got it bad.


"It's time to pass the baton to the next generation." Ken Jacobson, WA state senator.
by tibbs on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:19:15 AM EST

Re: Threatening your own candidate? (none / 0)

You're threatening your own party by supporting a nominee who cannot win against the Republicans?  You'd ruin Obama's legacy with this kind of shit?

Wow.  Talk about "all about me" syndrome.  You've got it bad.


by saks on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:59:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Supporter's Open Letter to HIllary (draft) (none / 0)

Who cares about Obama supporters?  Hillary's been screwed, the party's been screwed and I'm voting for McCain.


by saks on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:24:08 AM EST

they need to know how many defectors (none / 0)

It's not too late for the SDs to make the right decision and choose Hillary. If the Obama people come to understand how many of us will defect to McCain, maybe they will reconsider and go for Hillary also.

All these people who criticize the defectors and say everyone should rally round the nominee, whoever HE is.... If they really think that, then they should be willing to rally round Hillary, as that is the only way to unite the party. We hard core bitter old feminists are NEVER going to unite around Obama, after the way he has behaved.

It's also possible that Obama himself, who is cunning and thorough, will count up the demographics he's losing and decide to bow out till 2016. That's one way he could get some support from us -- after Hillary finishes her two terms.


by 1950democrat on Tue May 13, 2008 at 12:39:35 AM EST
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This isn't a Democratic "Obama" site (none / 0)

Because the metric has changed and the party divided.  We all have a stake here- not just left-wing fascists in the Democratic party.

Anyway, haven't you heard?  The GE is no longer about Republican  vs. Democrat.  It's AAs+elitists vs. the rest of America.


by saks on Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:44:56 AM EST

ban McCain speak (none / 0)

The problem with the fascist "ban McCain speak" if Hillary isn't the nom is that most of us centrist Dems recognize him as a mainly anti-Bush moderate who's earned his maverick stripes.  He's as much of a right-wing Rovian wingnut as, well, Ariana Huffington is a Republican :).  

It's degrees of danger between McCain and Obama, and this election lies in the hands of moderates.


by saks on Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:24:28 AM EST


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